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New Rule: Catholics Must Get Up Out of the Pew and Walk Out of the Church Forever |
When Barack Obama didn't hear Reverend Wright say those awful things about America, he still should have rushed the stage, smite Reverend Wright with the cross, and left the church. If there's anything the right wing can agree on, it's that. And that gays are going hell, right after they suck them off in the airport bathroom.
But it raises an obvious question, one that I haven't heard asked, which is strange because it's so obvious: If you leave a church when the head of the church says bad things about America, what do you do when your church hierarchy is caught up in a systematic and decades-long sex abuse scandal? And did I mention the people being sexually abused were children? Hundreds of them?
How about when the head of that church, or Pope, associated with and promoted members of the clergy who not only facilitated the sexual abuse and rape of hundreds and hundreds of children, but engaged in a decades-long cover-up of those crimes?
Reverend Wright associated with Farrakhan. The Pope works with Cardinal Law. Which is worse? Isn't it the man who shuffled "priests" like Shanley and Geoghan and many others from parish to parish with the full knowledge of their crimes, and then claimed he had no idea?
Yes, by Sean Hannity's own logic, Catholics like him, en masse, would be expected to abandon their church. Which shouldn't be a problem, because they worship Reagan anyway.
COLMES: Then shouldn't John McCain say he doesn't support the views of a man who makes anti-Catholic statements?
OBENSHAIN: He did, I believe. He said I'm not--I don't agree with everything -- a
COLMES: And Obama says he does not support anti-Semitism, as expressed by Louis Farrakhan.
HANNITY: Leave the church.
Well, what about it, Sean? Shouldn't you leave your church? I mean, like, five years ago?
And since you haven't, how do we know you're not also a secret child fucker? Again, just using your logic:
HANNITY: ...What if he really deep down in his heart thinks like Pastor Wright?
LUNTZ: It's not for anyone to answer that question.
HANNITY: Well, is that dangerous for this country? I think that would be dangerous. That would mean we would have -- if he agreed with Wright, and I don't know that he does, but if he did, that would mean a racist and an anti-Semite would be president of the United States.
Side note: Does it occur to anyone that, for the past five years, the nuts every politician has been busy distancing themselves from--Reverend Wright, Reverend Falwell, Reverend Hagee, Reverend Haggard, Reverend Robertson--are all, you know, reverends?
Why don't we just go back to the days when politicians kept their religions to themselves? Wasn't that better?
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posted 7:54 am on 04/01/2008
You're now a Fan of buckheaddad.
that charges $$$$ to advertising customers to sell you some cheap product or service (that won't do its intended purpose).
These jerks, like the politicians and preachers, would disappear if you take $$$$ out of the equation.
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posted 9:56 pm on 03/29/2008
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posted 6:03 pm on 03/29/2008
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I wasn't sitting next to him because, of the churches position against the use of condoms in Africa. The continent, rife with poverty and AIDS, is an area of huge expansion for the church. I considered this stance to be a crime against humanity and couldn't join his church.
I mention these facts, not to demonstrate some moral superiority, only to underscore the fact that, for some of us, it is essential that words and actions be as consistent as possible.
The final gruesome legacy of the Bush administration is that we expect nothing but obfuscation from our leaders. Are we really to believe that unless all Catholics, Mormans, and Evangelicals leave their churches, than it's okay for a potential president to talk of a different kind of communication, about hope, and unity all the while listening to vitriolic spew on Sunday.
John Edwards appealed to what should have been our sense of
outrage and we ignored him, Hillary bored us with her facts and plans,Joe Biden had an actual plan for Iraq and we blew him off, but Barack knew who we would vote for, no matter how bad things have gotten, no matter the blood on our hands -- it is always, always the hopeful uniter ro whom we turn. He played us to a frenzied crescendo.
Now Barack is being held to account, not for his pastor's words which obviously spoke to a deep-seated belief among his congregants and whose passion lifted up his community, but instead for Senator Obama's own words and the dissonance between his words and his actions.
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For Maher and progressives like him, Catholics - should - leave the church. That is his hypocrisy. Maher tries to spin this as though those questioning Obama are the hypocrites. It is Maher who is the hypocrite.
Progressives such as Maher have told us for years that politicians like President Bush who associate with Catholics and Christians should be mocked and derided as being bigots, homophobes, hypocrites, stupid etc. He even made a little "doc" on it.
Now, when Obama's pastor uses language and has views that even the most strident associate of Bush has never used, Maher gets all worked up and resorts to his typical, tired, heard a million times too often to get offended, Catholic bashing.
Bill the hypocrisy lies in your hand and the hands of all progressives who have ridiculed right-wing politicos for years for having religious advisors. Now, your candidate has the most extreme spiritual advisor of all and you can't defend it.
This gross hypocrisy combimed with an inability to defend your views is why I quit calling myself a liberal.
I hope you have the intellectual honesty to re-edit your little "doc" to accomodate Rev. Wright's views.
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Thanks, Mr Maher - I agree with you, especially on one point - I wish the candidates for public office would keep their religions (their belief in their imaginary invisible friends) to themselves. I really don't care which fantasy authors a politician follows, be it Tolkien, C. S. Lewis, or god.
posted 5:10 pm on 03/28/2008
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